Evo da ugrabim priliku da stavim jos jedan apdejt, ne znam sta sam slao ali ici cu redom ukratko da ispricam sta se sve izdesavalo a dosta se izdesavalo, znaci: one prve slike su od kanjona koji je vodio u neku oazu u dnu kanjona kod reke jedva smo stigli i ne samo to nego prvo busom 6 sati po uzasnim putevima gde nema grejanja ja pitao mogu li da upale grejanje smrzosmo se kad kondukter ustade i izdeli cebad imaju cebadi pregrst, to lokalci idu tim busem peruanke sa onim tradicionalnim nosnjama i voze lame u busu male kao jagnjad
no odatle smo isli na plutajuce ostrvo od slame koje moraju popravljaju svaki drugi dan, tamo na jezeru titikaka jos zive kako su ziveli nekad ali uglavnom zbog turizma, mada jako je zanimljivo okacio sam i snimke kratke ovaj put da vidite kako mala zagleda ofarbanu kosu nije nikad videla i to sve dok jede trsku vodenu, tu vec imaju domorodacku facu indijanaca dodje ti da ih usvojis
dalje smo krenuli ka kusku to je haos od grada prvo nisam znao sta se dogadja svi nesto prodaju svi te salecu prate da ti nesto prodaju, zovu te u radnje ne mozes da predjes 100m da ne objasnjavas sta neces a sta hoces, ali navikli smo se bili smo tamo 10ak dana i vise, A imas da kupis najcudnije stvari od morskih prasadi i buba sto smo jeli do soka od pomorandze i marakuje koji ti sipaju u kesu za frizider, do soka od kukuruza, nema prosijaka na ulicama perua niti narkomana za razliku od severne Amerike mislim da je jebeno biti prosjak u bedi jer nemaju ni za sebe ali cenim to sto svi nesto prodaju pa i ako je to besmisleno, cak.i ako naidjes on ti daje bombonu ako mu das novac svi se trude da zarade
ali najjace sto sam video da neki invalidi bez nogu nemaju za stake i onda puzu po ulici taj snimak zaboravih da okacim, ides ulicom kroz guzvu i vidis da nesto puze kroz masu, jedan bez nogu je isao samo na rukama ma kao u nekom filmu nismo znali ponekad sta se desava...
tako smo odatle krenuli pjeske na Machu michu od 5 crnih dana hoda zove se Salkantay trek najniza tacka je bila 1800 najvisa 4600 kroz razna brdska sela i razne predele, i onda treci dan je u noc udarila takva oluja da je otkinula put na vise mesta, a posto drugi nema a okolo je dzungla morali smo da prelazimo preko tih odrona, kasnije su pricali da je dvoje poginulo ali nisam siguran da li je to tacno ja nisam video nikoga, ali da je bilo jebeno jeste jer dok smo isli letelo je kamenje i odroni su se dogadjali, ja sam na cetvrtom odronu kad smo isli pukao mi je stap i poleteo sam u ambis ali sam se zadrzao jer sam se bacio i pao na neko kamenje i sjebo nogu, srecom nisam slomio samo istegao ligament i nateklo je bilo stavio sam sliku, a na slici su jos i moje nove cipele koje sam kupio za taj trek koje su se raspale od hodanja treci dan, sledeci i predzadnji dan je trebalo da bude 17km ali velikog uspona i pada i mislio sam mogu bolela me noga ali reko gazicu, kad ono ispade 28km zadnjih 7 sam vezao zicom djonove jer su otpali jedva sam se dovukao na nekom stapu, sledeci dan smo isli na machu pichu koji je nista posebno jer je prevelika guzva i meni to nije uzivanje bolji je bio put dotle
i dugine planine 5200mnv ono sareno je skinuta slika tj nasa ocekivanjana ono su slike realnosti jer nam taj dan pade sneg ko od sale
e posle toga ide tek najludji deo putovanja, to je bila avantura bogami ono zbog cega sam najvise dosao AMAZONIJA pa cu vam posebno okaciti to vezano za dzunglu gde sam proveo 7 dana ali bas u dzungli i u ikitosu jos 5 a kolika je vlaznost ima jedna slika pogledajte ispod pritiska NEPODNOSLJIVO ali je prica koja je na mene ostavila najbolji i najgori utisak cujemo se za par dana jer moramo u panamu sutra...
Slike i snimci trebalo bi da ih sortira samo po date added da bi bilo po redu kako sam i pisao
Tradicionalno za ceremoniju uzimanje ajavaske zadužen je plemenski šaman koji ajavasku i priprema.To su osobe koje su svoj život posvetile upravo ajavaski i oni u plemenima imaju poseban status. On je tu i da bi odredio dozu svakom učesniku te ceremoniju.Taj obred se održava noću kišnim šumama Amazona.Šamani takođe imaju i ulogu spiritualnih vođa cele ceremonije, zbog toga oni se nazivaju i ajavaskerosi. Razlog zbog kojeg ljudi uzimaju ajavasku su razni, ali najzastupljeniji su telesno i duhovno pročišćenje do kojih i ajavaska dovodi. Spiritualno otkrovenje je definitivno najveći razlog za konzumiranje ajavaske. Osobe pod dejstvom ajavaske tvrde da su spoznali njihovu ulogu na zemlji, pravu prirodu svemira, kao i uvid u to kakve osobe trebaju da postanu[5].Mnogi ovakve trenutno smatraju kao ponovno rođenje. Pored toga nije retka pojava da neko tokom ovakvog iskustva tvrdi da su stupili u više duhovno stanje gde dolaze u kontakt sa bićima van ove dimenzije koja ima pomažu da se izleče[6], takođe stupaju u kontakt i sa vanzemaljskom inteligencijom ali i dušama mrtvih.
Pisa Don Hose Kampos tvrdi da su ljudi nakon uzimanja ajavaske značajno promeni svoje živote[7]Nakom konzumiranja javlja se mučnina praćena povraćanjem koja je prema šamanima jako značajna jer predstavlja potpuno očišćenje tela i duha ona je propraćena i drhtavicom, umorom, hipertermijom, grčevima, njihove dugotrajne posledice još nisu otkrivene[8]. Pored toga ipak zabeleženi slučajevi smrti tokom ceremonija koji su se najčešće javili zbog već postojećih zdravstvenih problema kao što su problemi sa srcem ali takođe i zbog korišćenja i drugih supstanci kao što su kafein, nikotin, antidepresivi, rekreacione droge.
Značajna i utvrđena posledica korišćenja ajavaske je stvaranje novih moždanih ćelija[9]čije je istraživanje sprovela Barklej fondacija
ne bih cackao mecku ako ne moras, a koliko je zdravo, sledi:
Harmine
Harmine is another one of the indole hallucinogens derived from native plant materials. It is found in the equatorial areas of western South America drained by the upper Amazon`s tributaries and used by the tribes of Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, and Brazil, as an hallucinogenic substance. The Banisteriopsis caapi belongs to the family Malpighiaceae mostly woody climbers. The same plant has various names, Caapi ayahuasca, C. natema, C. nepe, C. pinde, and C. kahi and the same name is applied to the beverage prepared from it.
The native sorcerers added extracts from the wood and leaves of P. Amazonica to Banisteriopsis liquid which transposed their patients into states of ecstasy.
In order to prepare the active liquid the triturated solution derived from small pieces of wood was boiled in water for 2-24 hours. This was done in order to reduce the volume and increase the potency of the extracts. The Indians were given the extracts as a medicine, when they wished some guidance, for example, in choosing a new spouse or for having some revelation of the future, O-R when they desired the characteristic psychedelic experience sought by users of these and other hallucinogenic drugs.
When taken on an empty stomach the results came on more rapidly. Vomiting was very frequent after every new quantity of liquid was consumed. Vertigo occurred first, followed by a period of agitation, dancing, screaming, and then the complete experience. Subjects saw visionary images, pictures bearing on their own future, beasts in which demons were incarnated and other illusions and hallucinations.
Lewin reported that white travelers also reacted to B. caapi. Koch- Gruneberg experienced a peculiar scintillation of crude colors. When writing, shadows like red flames passed over the page. Another traveler saw beautiful landscapes, towns, towers, parks, and wild animals against which he defended himself.
The plant was used differently in various regions. In Bolivia it was used as an exhilarating and stimulating beverage, like tea O-R coffee. Very small quantities were taken. In Colombia, its objective was to give courage and fortitude. Shortly after consumption there was a powerful circulatory effect and marked pallor. The subjects became restless and developed convulsive tremors. Then after a few minutes the skin became hyperemic and they became violently active. Fear and even caution were gone and they were ready to fight anything or anybody. This violent state was followed by exhaustion and som- nolence. This account by Rusby is remarkably like the berserk reaction of the Vikings many centuries ago in a different country, using mush- rooms.
Villalba (1925) reported that the Indians infused pieces of stem about 20 cm long. The liquid was concentrated by heat to one-tenth of its volume, diluted with water, and again concentrated. The liquor had a red color with a greenish hue which, on standing, changed to a topaz color with a bluish green fluorescence. The Indians used 60 ml O-R 0.5 gm of alkaloid. Under its influence they jumped, screamed, and ran about wildly but continued to take it for days to maintain the state of excitation. Villalba ingested the pure alkaloid and had no reaction to it, whereupon he concluded that other white people who had seen visions of the future, of things lost, and visions of dis- tances and illusions, were exaggerating the effect. It is not unusual for people who have not seen, to be skeptical of the claims of others who have.
Chen and Chen (1939) reported further on the hallucinogenic prop- erties of B. caapi. Thus they wrote, The most outstanding feature of Caapi seems to be its ability to produce visual hallucinations and dreams in men. The Caucasians who took this preparation ap- parently confirmed the Indians` claims. Thus Villavicencio experienced an aerial voyage, in which he saw the most beautiful sights, and Sprice quoted a Brazilian friend as saying that once, when he took a full dose of Caapi, he saw all the marvels that he had read about in the Arabian Nights pass rapidly before his eyes as a panorama. the final sensations and sights were horrible, as usual. Cardenas made seven observations on men, including himself, with the decoction in various doses. All the subjects appeared to have optical illusions of different degrees. No excitement was recorded in any ease.
PSYCHOLOGICAL
Pennes and Hoch (1957) gave harmine to mental patients: The majority were schizophrenic. The doses ranged from 20 to 960 mg oral, 40 to 70 mg SC, and 100-300 mg IV. Since normal subjects were not included, it is not possible to compare the effects of harmine as re- ported against LSD O-R mescaline. The authors reported harmine pro- duced a similar effect but in addition there was some degree of clouding of consciousness. At low dosages slight drowsiness was produced. With medium and high doses the changes were like those produced by LSD. The reaction was semideliriod O-R like a cyclical confused state with intermittent drowsiness O-R S-L-E-E-P.
The major symptoms were impairment of contact, attention, grasp, responsiveness, and concentration and the subjects also had dreamy or twilight qualities. Perceptual disturbances were frequent. Hallu- cinations occurred with eyes closed. Subjects also noted some vertigo, lightheadedness, ataxia, and their speech was sluggish.
EFFECT ON ANIMAL BEHAVIOR
Harmine induced tremor in mice (Stern and Gasparovic, 1961).
Villalba (1925) gave the alkaloid that was extracted to guinea pigs. The toxic dose was 0.2 gm/kg. After injection, the animals became restless, developed light tremors, and later the gait became peculiar and the hind limbs became extended. Later the animals were unable to stand and fell moving their limbs convulsively.
Chen and Chen (1939) reported harmine produced bodily trembling and an unsteady gait in monkeys. In larger doses they arched their back, stiffened their limbs, trembled all over, and had clonic convul- sions. Gershon and Lang (1962) reported harmine in conscious dogs caused restlessness, anxiety, and apparent hallucinations.
CHEMISTRY
Woolley and Shaw (1957) reported harmaline was a serotonin an- tagonist. Using the isolated estrus rat uterus (Mclsaac et al., 1961) found that 0.2 µg of serotonin was completely blocked by 0.5 µg of LSD and 50 µg of harmine O-R harmaline added 5 minutes before. At higher levels they caused muscle contractions and later antagonism to serotonin was reduced. Methoxyharmalan was 25 times as active and 2 µg was as effective as 0.5 µg of LSD. Similar results were obtained on isolated guinea pig ileum. It seemed likely 10-methoxyharmalan and serotonin were competitive. The methoxyharmalan also antagonized the pressor effect of serotonin.
PHARMACOLOGICAL
In conscious dogs and sheep harmine increased arterial blood pressure and heart rate (Gershon and Lang, 1962). Blood pressure and heart rate fell in anesthetized animals. The pressor response to adrenaline was potentiated but the effect of noradrenaline was not altered. The blood pressure changes due to serotonin, were inhibited. Gerstner (1961) perfused the superior cervical ganglion with 10 µg/ml of harmine.
Harmaline is about twice as toxic as harmine to most laboratory animals (Henry, 1949). The minimum lethal doses of harmine, harma- line and tetrahydroharmine for rabbits were in the ratio 2 : 1 : 3 . Chang- ing harmine and harmaline to harmol and harmalol removed convulsant properties. The two phenols caused a progressive paralysis of the central nervous system. ____________________________________
The Hallucinogens by Abram Hoffer, Humphry Osmond
`The aim of public education is not to spread enlightement at all. It is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originallity.`
`The aim of public education is not to spread enlightement at all. It is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originallity.`
`The aim of public education is not to spread enlightement at all. It is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originallity.`
sem sto izigravas policajca, saveti su dati prvenstveno autoru teme koji ima jedinstvenu priliku da testira floru i faunu drugih zemalja, kao i onima koji ih nadju korisnim
`The aim of public education is not to spread enlightement at all. It is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originallity.`
Poz ljudi, samo da kazem da se putovanje zavrsilo i da smo se vratili u Serbistan, dosli smo pre mesec nego ne stigoh da napisem, od celog putovanja amazonija je najjaci deo, ajahuasku nisam probao a to mi je bila ogromna zelja, a razlog zasto nisam jer je postalo pomodarstvo, bogati evropljani dolaze i samo o tome pricaju kao to je sad trend medju jogunima, kao da samo to juzna amerika nudi znas oni otvaraju cakre i jedu govna a dosli avionom platili smestaj jeli u restoranima i grupno se drogirali i sad kao znaju mudrost zivora ma uzas!
prvo to nije droga nego lek, i pitam ja jednu devojku iz Poljske pa sto reko nisi isla u dzunglu zivela sa plemenima, jela njihovu hranu, radila njihove obicajei onda ako ti treba neki odgovor uzela ajahuasku
a kao ne ne dzungla je opasna ne idem tamo hahaha a onda dodje kao `saman` i naplati im ceremoniju ma evropljani su stvarno uzas, samo kenjaju ono sto je nekad indija bila za hipike sad je juzna amerika za evropu
uglavnom bili smo u dzungli 7 dana, kod neke zene koja nema ni struje ni vode pili smo kisnicu i spavali na daskama ali je ne mouce vrelo, od celog puta gde smo isli peske ko zna koliko samo do machu pichu 5 dana smrsao sam oko 2kg a u amazoniji 9 kila ne izdrziva vrucina, ali onaj svet ljudi onde jos samo dinosaurusi fale
ne mozes da ostanes ravnodusan, to je toliko savrseno i prelepoi haoticno u isto vreme od insekta ptice gmizavca biljki ne znam sta me vise fasciniralo, najvise me namucila ali je najzivopisnije iskustvo do sad od celog puta
cak sam isao u lov na kajmane i anakonde jedan dan duboko u dzunglu sam sa macetom ali nisam nista nasao samo sam se izgubio i posle 4h vratio, anakondu sam video kad smo isli na ostrvo majmuna uhvatili je neki ribari i drze je u zatocenistvu, ima oko 4m kaze beba, pa reko koliko je velika kaze ide do 12m i 300kg a pricali su mi ljudi iz plemena da su vidjali oko 18m duboko u primarnoj dzungli, ali nikad necemo znati i jos sam video neke insekte koje nikad nisam video nigde a imam 300gb emisija nat geo sa kojekakvim zivotinjama i ono ikad nisam nigde video
evo napr stavicu sliku crne kao gusenice, koju sam uhvatio i zavio u liost banane i doneo i kaze mi ta zena kod koje smo bili ona nije otrovna ali zato joj evolucija napravila oklop koji je toliko tvrd da sad ne znam kako da vam opisem onda je jedan covek pokazao za sta je koriste uzeo macetu i poceo da je ostri o nju kao ostrac nozeva to samo cvili gvozdje, kontam da je od keratina oklop ali kako se onako cuje ne znam
ali nisam ni ja stedeo dzunglu jedan dan napr, sam isao da nadjem bulletant (metak mrava), koji kako kazu ima najjaci ujed u svetu insekata nesto sto je nezamislivo jako...
i naravno morao sam da isprobam, ujeo me jedan prvo pa sledeci dan drugi, i mogu vam reci da im ime opravdava ujed hahah
prvih 6 sati te boli 2x jace od strsljena a sledecih 6h boli 7x jace, dosta me preznojilo ali je interesantno iskustvo, prihvatao sam sve sto dzungla nudi
inace da vam ispricam, u plemenima dole kada decak sazreva u muskarca, mora da stavi rukavice koje su od nekog lisca a u tim rukavicama uhvate 120 tih mrava koji su ince velicine oko 3cm i idu prebrzo, unesveste ih i upletu u rukavice, onda kad dodju sebi oni stavie te rukavice i trebaju da odigraju ples, i 3 dana budu u nezamislivoj agoniji ali ne smeju da se onesveste (jer vecina ljudi se onesvesti) jedan britanac je primao morfijum ujelo ga 5 komada na nekom snimku sto sam gledao e sad kad se ja namucih sa 2 komada i preznajah celu noc ni ne mogu da zamislim 120, e sad to je kao jedan razlog ali DRUGI razlog je mnogo bitniji, kada se zavrsi ta ceremonija sa mravima, tropske bolesti poput Denge, Zike, Malarije, i Zute groznice im ne moze nista, mogu da dobiju ali jedva da osete, tako da nije bez veze to im dodje kao vakcina
isao sam do nekih plemena ali oni pricaju spanski i imaju kontakt sa ljudima, klinci su im mnogo simpaticni ali su mi pricali ljudi iz sela da ima nize u amazonu plemena koji nemaju nikakav kontakt i oni pricaju Kecua i da ne idem da ih trazim
inace mi smo od Ikitosa gradica do kog mozes da dodjes samo brodom (5-10 dana) ili avionom, koji je odma pored dzungle, mi smo od njega isli jos camcem sai i po do sela santa maria, i onda od tig sela jos sat i po peske do te zene koja zivi bukvalno u sklepanoj drvenoj kucici sa bebom, nema vrata na kuci, nema ni vode ko sto rekoh nego se pije kisnica
zvuci uvece su prvo bili jezivi onda smo uzivali u lepoti bica koja su pevala i smenjivala se na svaka 2h
nekako kada sve sada sagledam, ono je sve skroz drugi svet i jedno prelepo iskustvo, nije bilo lako, pogotovu njoj spavanje po 7 dana u satoru pa stopiranje danima ali da smo placali ko evropski turisti sve imali bi novca samo peru da obiljemo, potrosili smo malo mozda vise od 2k evra po osobi znaci 4k neka bude 4500 za te pare sam mogao samo bolji auto da kupim od svadbe nista vise
mozda su siromasni i mozda nemaju novca ali porodicu su sacuvali i drze se zajedno, kad smo sleteli u austriju tj vratili smo se preko Paname bili smo i tamo jedan dan u panama city i onda istanbul i austria i kako smo sleteli tako smo videli istetoviranu zenu sa napucenim usnama koja ima dete koje vristi i ide za njom ona mu nesto prica i oduzima telefon a ono vristi, a nas tamo docekali i deca nam pokazivala kako da pecamo pirane to smo jedan ceo dan jeli, pirane koje se pecaju na papaju hhah ubacio sam i zvuke koje se cuju po noci u dzungli pa poslusajte!
tako da ovde se nase putesestvije zavrsava, vracamo se tokovima nasao sam novi i polji posao, potkast cu nastaviti da snimam, i sledece godine idemo na island da istrazimo ceo, ali sa 200e u dzepu
ako ko hoce jos sta da me pita pitajte, sigurno sam zaboravio jer toliko toga ima da se prica ovo su samo konacne misli...
Micka covece sto pises gluposti ponasa se covek ko klinac od 15 godina koje vapi za paznjom, a ipak juri paznju ne razumem sto, ali ajde ko zna sta je u pitanju, mani se toga covece pricamo lepe price bolje pitaj nesto lepo..
Drago mi je što ste se vratili u svoju zemlju živi i zdravi i nadam se da ćeš malo više ljudima ukazati da ovakav način žiota nema nigdje što se tiče opuštenosti, a sa druge strane sve više ljudi su u nekim samo njima znanim problemima. U svakom slučaju, drago mi je što si i našao bolji posao i uživaj. A sa mravima se ne igraj. Pozitivna osobina da ljudi stalno preispituju svoja znanja i da u skladu sa tim funkcionišu je osobina velikih ljudi. Mali se i onako zadovolje osrednjošću.
lepo je kolega da si se proveo i obogatio zivot novim iskustvima, sama tema je pocela tipa, idem na putesestvija i vise se ne vracam, tako da bas i nije bilo jasno o cemu se radi, pa rekoh da pomognem koliko je moguce, ni jedan post nije `glupost` niti jurenje necije paznje ( nemam preca posla ), al ajde da zavrsimo na toj lepsoj noti, sve najbolje i ziveli
`The aim of public education is not to spread enlightement at all. It is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originallity.`
Hvala, nisam ni ja znao sta da ocekujem niti koliko mi za ovo treba ni da li cemo ostajati dosta duze
ali svakako zelim da podrzim sve koji bi nekad da odu u nepoznato, uglavnom sta da vam kazem nekad me zovne drug ajmo u novi sad recimo ja kazem samo da uzmem pare a zadnjih godina pitam a gde idemo? kad se vracamo? sta cemo da radimo? to je znak starenja:D tako da sam resio samo da krenem ko nekad pa sta bude
Nema normalnih, samo nepregledanih
:: lepo je kolega da si se proveo i obogatio zivot novim iskustvima, sama tema je pocela tipa, idem na putesestvija i vise se ne vracam, tako da bas i nije bilo jasno o cemu se radi, pa rekoh da pomognem koliko je moguce, ni jedan post nije `glupost` niti jurenje necije paznje ( nemam preca posla ), al ajde da zavrsimo na toj lepsoj noti, sve najbolje i zivel :: :: :: `The aim of public education is not to spread enlightement at all. It i :: simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level :: to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originallity.` :: ::
Meni vise neverovatno kako neko odmah nasao posao cim poceo da trazi :) Ovde kod nas juznije i ne odgovaraju na prijave kad saljemo, ili zajebavaju ljude samo sa beskorisnim intervijuima.
Inace sto se tice putovanja i istrazivanja svaka cast, bitno da ste otisli i vratili se zivi i zdravi i videli neke druge krajeve sveta.
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